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A thought... [Jul. 20th, 2004|11:52 pm]


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A friend mentioned to me that hemuloki has been frighteningly active...

So far, most of what I've seen there was Loki x Mayura. Who's just as afraid as I am?

On another note... Can anyone tell me how they would make Heimdall/Loki, as in Heimdall seme, work? I have one idea, but it's kinda so twisted that I'm not sure I'd write it at all..........

[User Picture]From: yumearashi
2004-07-22 12:07 am (UTC)
*agrees with Sapphirus* I am deeply perturbed by the abundance of Loki/Mayura to be found on that community, and so is my muse!Loki. (My muse!Heimdall just thinks it's funny, and likes to tease muse!Loki about it) I try to be tolerant of other people's preferences, but it sure is nice to have a community where I know I won't be subjected to it (even if it's not the liveliest community ever ^.^;;)

I think I remember that fic, too. Just reading the pairing description traumatized me, as I recall...

Hmm, seme Heimdall...he's definitely the more aggressive of the two, but Loki has experience on his side in a big way, and he's a wily little eel. I can see it happening in a few ways, though.

The main problem I have with seme-Heimdall is that, in canon or in myth, I don't really see him as a sexual being. He's been stuck out on this bridge for all eternity, he doesn't have a wife and you never hear about any lovers. There's never any suggestion that he's ever had a chance to be with anyone; in fact, I get the impression it might even be frowned on, given his duties. There is the whole father-of-mankind bit, but that's only questionably associated with him, as I understand.

So I have a hard time thinking of him as really desiring Loki (as my friend so inelegantly put it, "I just can't see the adorable psycho looking at Loki's ass and going 'Hey, I want me a piece of that!'" x.x;;) There would have to be some catalyst to make Heimdall see Loki in a sexual light. If that did happen, though, I can definitely see him going after it - he certainly doesn't lack in assertiveness. Whether Loki then agrees/allows it to happen, well, who knows. He might, for his own amusement or just because he decides Kakusei!Heimdall's hot. He *is* Loki, after all, the most oversexed god since Zeus and his little bestiality fetish.

Of course, if you've been developing a relationship between them, that's a whole different story. Give Loki about .08 seconds to wake up Heim-chan's libido and I'm sure he'd be all for it *grins*

Alternatively, you can write it without sexual desire, taking the approach of sex as abuse/punishment/revenge. Although then you have to work around the issue of Heimdall successfully catching Loki with his pants down (figuratively speaking). One way might be having Loki allow it as a sort of penance for Heimdall's eye. The potential downside is that anything using this approach is going to be pretty dark, even if you can avoid straight-up NCS.

I also have a bit of trouble picturing Loki as uke. Taking the submissive position entails a certain amount of trust, and Loki is not a trusting god. He was never popular with the other Asgardian gods, and there are too many people who would use or hurt him. Also, Loki always strikes me as being something of a control freak, I tend to think he'd want to be the one in charge. Granted, sometimes people who value being in control find they really like having it taken away from them - which is another angle you could work.

Of course, you can be the uke and still be in charge, which is another tack you can take. I've seen it done, in fact, on adultfanfiction.net. That particular fic wasn't to my taste, but the sexual dynamic the author uses is quite realistic.

You could also render that point irrelevant by making it semi-consensual or NCS, but there are two considerations to keep in mind if you're going to go that road. For one, you're going to see emotional damage (which you can make into an important part of the story), and for two, there again you've got to have Heimdall getting the better of Loki, which is never easy.

On a completely different note, Loki could do it just to mess with Heimdall's mind. How exactly that would work, I can't think offhand, but I'm sure it could be done.

I have an unfinished piece which contains a Heimdall-as-seme scene which is mostly complete. If you'd like to take a look to see how I handled it, feel free to ask.

*eyes her massive entry* ...Holy crudbuckets, I've clearly given this concept way too much thought.
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[User Picture]From: sapphirus
2004-07-22 12:17 pm (UTC)
Too much thought? Never. I find it an interesting read and it does open one's eye on a few things. I can't one-up it tho, but I'll try? xD;

Methinks I won't ever try to seek that fic. o_O Don't want to hurt more than I already do. *shudders*

I'll agree about Heimdall not being a sexual being. As I've mentioned before, a friend and I rp Loki/Heimdall, but we're making so little progress due to Heimdall's 1) dislike of Loki, 2) distrust of Loki, and 3) lack of sexuality. He's so uptight and hellbent on making Loki miserable and Loki getting enjoyment out of him rubs him the wrong way. We're still trying to make him accept a kiss from Loki without immediately start throwing insults or forcefully shove Loki away. Proximity with Loki was bad enough before, since he's got a very large personal space when it comes to our beloved God of Chaos. And this is a relationship based only on sexuality and their rivalry/Ragnarok, no romantic feelings involved.

Heimdall having procreated at all was only due to necessity and a desire to help Midgard inhabitants to get what they desired. No more than that. At least, that's what I think. He doesn't seem fond of physical contact from anyone otherwise. The poor lonely Bisfrost guardian.

All 'em suggestions for seme!Hemu are, like I said, interesting, but even then, there's still the Loki factor and making it believable. I'm not terribly sure I'd write about any of those or read about it unless someone recced it to me as being excellent read.

And yes, I'd love to take a look at that unfinished piece. Dunno how helpful it'd be, but it can't hurt.
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[User Picture]From: yumearashi
2004-07-28 08:33 pm (UTC)

unfinished Heim/Loki fic

Hey, sorry it took me so long to reply, real life's been obnoxious. The relevant scenes are too big to post here, but I'd be happy to IM or e-mail the file over. Or, if that's not something you're comfy with, I could throw it up on my webspace. It's *very* unfinished, so you'd be looking at random editor comments here and there, plus I believe there's a bit of dialogue which is in script format >.< And it's set *way* pre-series, in Asgard. So if you think it wouldn't be helpful, I understand. If you'd still like to have a gander, let me know. I'll be slow again, as I'm off to Otakon tomorrow, but I'll check when I get back.
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[User Picture]From: sapphirus
2004-08-03 12:27 pm (UTC)

Re: unfinished Heim/Loki fic

I'll be most willing to get it from IM or anything similar. I do believe you'll have to give me your IM or remind me of it before we can have a proper conversation. I'm afraid I have it on "buddy list only".

I won't mind random editor comments. They're fun ^^ is my opinion on that. I put plenty of comments all over my stuff when they're on paper. It's quite unreadable for myself sometimes. xD
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[User Picture]From: yumearashi
2004-08-03 10:11 pm (UTC)

Re: unfinished Heim/Loki fic

You're quite welcome to poke at me on IM - anyone on the Heimdall/Loki LJ community is a buddy to me ^.~ My SN is sansreves7. Looking forward to hearing from you ^__^
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