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A thought... [Jul. 20th, 2004|11:52 pm]


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A friend mentioned to me that hemuloki has been frighteningly active...

So far, most of what I've seen there was Loki x Mayura. Who's just as afraid as I am?

On another note... Can anyone tell me how they would make Heimdall/Loki, as in Heimdall seme, work? I have one idea, but it's kinda so twisted that I'm not sure I'd write it at all..........

[User Picture]From: quietisrafel
2004-07-20 09:56 pm (UTC)
Oi. Yeah. I remember coming across a random fanfic where there was a threesome between Loki, Mayura, and... some other unwitting victim. I don't recall the details, as I tried to push that out of my memory (^o^);. But yes. I'm very afraid.

Mm, Heimdall as seme... it could work. Maybe if it were a situation where Loki felt like being playful and submissive for the sack of being random and messing with Heimdall's mind... hrm. I'm honestly not sure; I'll definitely have to think on this some more. I personally have always seen the relationship as a power struggle, so to speak, between Loki and Heimdall >D;.

... And now I'm getting mental imagery of Loki and Heimdall doing a parody of Spy vs. Spy. Fwee.
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[User Picture]From: sapphirus
2004-07-20 10:27 pm (UTC)
........*shudders* oO;; Very glad you don't remember the details. Your poor brain must hurt a lot from just recalling this much!

There's not many ways I can see Heimdall seme work. Loki's so much more sneaky and, well, he always foils Heimdall's plots. I'll agree with the power struggle, but the power always seems to me like it'd be in Loki's court/side/hand, whichever... not Heimdall's.

Arara? o_o Spy vs Spy?
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[User Picture]From: quietisrafel
2004-07-20 11:56 pm (UTC)
My brain. It screams. A lot.

Yeah, Loki is able to pull all sorts of wonderful mind games on Heimdall and anyone else that happens to cross his path. Poor Heimdall; he tries to be clever and one-up Loki, but it just doesn't happen.

Ah, Spy vs. Spy was a cartoon that Mad TV used to show regularly. It was about two spies, one dressed in white, another in black, and how they both tried to foil each other's plans. These sorts of activities often included bombs, guns, knives, and other things that can bring bodily harm.
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[User Picture]From: yumearashi
2004-07-22 12:07 am (UTC)
*agrees with Sapphirus* I am deeply perturbed by the abundance of Loki/Mayura to be found on that community, and so is my muse!Loki. (My muse!Heimdall just thinks it's funny, and likes to tease muse!Loki about it) I try to be tolerant of other people's preferences, but it sure is nice to have a community where I know I won't be subjected to it (even if it's not the liveliest community ever ^.^;;)

I think I remember that fic, too. Just reading the pairing description traumatized me, as I recall...

Hmm, seme Heimdall...he's definitely the more aggressive of the two, but Loki has experience on his side in a big way, and he's a wily little eel. I can see it happening in a few ways, though.

The main problem I have with seme-Heimdall is that, in canon or in myth, I don't really see him as a sexual being. He's been stuck out on this bridge for all eternity, he doesn't have a wife and you never hear about any lovers. There's never any suggestion that he's ever had a chance to be with anyone; in fact, I get the impression it might even be frowned on, given his duties. There is the whole father-of-mankind bit, but that's only questionably associated with him, as I understand.

So I have a hard time thinking of him as really desiring Loki (as my friend so inelegantly put it, "I just can't see the adorable psycho looking at Loki's ass and going 'Hey, I want me a piece of that!'" x.x;;) There would have to be some catalyst to make Heimdall see Loki in a sexual light. If that did happen, though, I can definitely see him going after it - he certainly doesn't lack in assertiveness. Whether Loki then agrees/allows it to happen, well, who knows. He might, for his own amusement or just because he decides Kakusei!Heimdall's hot. He *is* Loki, after all, the most oversexed god since Zeus and his little bestiality fetish.

Of course, if you've been developing a relationship between them, that's a whole different story. Give Loki about .08 seconds to wake up Heim-chan's libido and I'm sure he'd be all for it *grins*

Alternatively, you can write it without sexual desire, taking the approach of sex as abuse/punishment/revenge. Although then you have to work around the issue of Heimdall successfully catching Loki with his pants down (figuratively speaking). One way might be having Loki allow it as a sort of penance for Heimdall's eye. The potential downside is that anything using this approach is going to be pretty dark, even if you can avoid straight-up NCS.

I also have a bit of trouble picturing Loki as uke. Taking the submissive position entails a certain amount of trust, and Loki is not a trusting god. He was never popular with the other Asgardian gods, and there are too many people who would use or hurt him. Also, Loki always strikes me as being something of a control freak, I tend to think he'd want to be the one in charge. Granted, sometimes people who value being in control find they really like having it taken away from them - which is another angle you could work.

Of course, you can be the uke and still be in charge, which is another tack you can take. I've seen it done, in fact, on adultfanfiction.net. That particular fic wasn't to my taste, but the sexual dynamic the author uses is quite realistic.

You could also render that point irrelevant by making it semi-consensual or NCS, but there are two considerations to keep in mind if you're going to go that road. For one, you're going to see emotional damage (which you can make into an important part of the story), and for two, there again you've got to have Heimdall getting the better of Loki, which is never easy.

On a completely different note, Loki could do it just to mess with Heimdall's mind. How exactly that would work, I can't think offhand, but I'm sure it could be done.

I have an unfinished piece which contains a Heimdall-as-seme scene which is mostly complete. If you'd like to take a look to see how I handled it, feel free to ask.

*eyes her massive entry* ...Holy crudbuckets, I've clearly given this concept way too much thought.
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[User Picture]From: sapphirus
2004-07-22 12:17 pm (UTC)
Too much thought? Never. I find it an interesting read and it does open one's eye on a few things. I can't one-up it tho, but I'll try? xD;

Methinks I won't ever try to seek that fic. o_O Don't want to hurt more than I already do. *shudders*

I'll agree about Heimdall not being a sexual being. As I've mentioned before, a friend and I rp Loki/Heimdall, but we're making so little progress due to Heimdall's 1) dislike of Loki, 2) distrust of Loki, and 3) lack of sexuality. He's so uptight and hellbent on making Loki miserable and Loki getting enjoyment out of him rubs him the wrong way. We're still trying to make him accept a kiss from Loki without immediately start throwing insults or forcefully shove Loki away. Proximity with Loki was bad enough before, since he's got a very large personal space when it comes to our beloved God of Chaos. And this is a relationship based only on sexuality and their rivalry/Ragnarok, no romantic feelings involved.

Heimdall having procreated at all was only due to necessity and a desire to help Midgard inhabitants to get what they desired. No more than that. At least, that's what I think. He doesn't seem fond of physical contact from anyone otherwise. The poor lonely Bisfrost guardian.

All 'em suggestions for seme!Hemu are, like I said, interesting, but even then, there's still the Loki factor and making it believable. I'm not terribly sure I'd write about any of those or read about it unless someone recced it to me as being excellent read.

And yes, I'd love to take a look at that unfinished piece. Dunno how helpful it'd be, but it can't hurt.
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[User Picture]From: yumearashi
2004-07-28 08:33 pm (UTC)

unfinished Heim/Loki fic

Hey, sorry it took me so long to reply, real life's been obnoxious. The relevant scenes are too big to post here, but I'd be happy to IM or e-mail the file over. Or, if that's not something you're comfy with, I could throw it up on my webspace. It's *very* unfinished, so you'd be looking at random editor comments here and there, plus I believe there's a bit of dialogue which is in script format >.< And it's set *way* pre-series, in Asgard. So if you think it wouldn't be helpful, I understand. If you'd still like to have a gander, let me know. I'll be slow again, as I'm off to Otakon tomorrow, but I'll check when I get back.
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[User Picture]From: sapphirus
2004-08-03 12:27 pm (UTC)

Re: unfinished Heim/Loki fic

I'll be most willing to get it from IM or anything similar. I do believe you'll have to give me your IM or remind me of it before we can have a proper conversation. I'm afraid I have it on "buddy list only".

I won't mind random editor comments. They're fun ^^ is my opinion on that. I put plenty of comments all over my stuff when they're on paper. It's quite unreadable for myself sometimes. xD
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[User Picture]From: yumearashi
2004-08-03 10:11 pm (UTC)

Re: unfinished Heim/Loki fic

You're quite welcome to poke at me on IM - anyone on the Heimdall/Loki LJ community is a buddy to me ^.~ My SN is sansreves7. Looking forward to hearing from you ^__^
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From: the_neph
2004-07-22 09:11 pm (UTC)
Well, I seldom de-lurk myself in these communities, but it was an interesting question you posed, and as someone who could see Heimdall/Loki happening, I figured I might comment. Not that I can't imagine it the other way, too... their relationship seems to have an element of rivalry/struggle for dominance to it in my imagination just about no matter what.

To my way of thinking, Heimdall can obviously be quite calculating when he's not overwhelmed by his emotions. Obviously, he's also obsessed with getting revenge on Loki for taking his eye.

I never have imagined him as sexually inexperienced, just disinterested. Or any interest he ever might have had was swallowed up in his blinding hatred for Loki; it's not clear to me which alternative is true. Either way, he is a god who has existed for a very long time and watched everything, implying to me a great body of knowledge. As the father of mankind, or at least the version I am familiar with, Heimdall would have to be capable of being seductive, as well. Again, this is just my take on him. There are a lot of other interpretations that work equally well.

I do not imagine him one day having a moment where he begins lusting after Loki. The way I think it would come about tends to work only if there is some existing attraction to/feeling for Heimdall on Loki's part (though Loki would not necessarily have realized it). The attraction could be mutual, though I am certain Heimdall would deny feeling any such attraction for Loki.

Anyway, here is the type of situation that I imagine (and have written). One day, in the midst of taunting/threatening Loki, Heimdall would say or do something unintentionally suggestive. Loki would react and lose some of his usual calm, and Heimdall would see it. He would come to realize Loki's attraction for him and decide to use it against Loki--to take something he wants dearly away from him eventually as repayment for his eye.

Hence, Heimdall's plan would be to seduce Loki once (or more), make Loki feel attached to him, and eventually reveal to him how much he hates him still. Heimdall might have to be fairly desperate for this to work, but I certainly think that he hates Loki enough to resort to such extremes. And what happens after Heimdall puts this plan into action... how he might be affected by it himself... is what is really interesting to me.

Anyway, just a random thought. And yes, the Loki/Mayura scares me, too!
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From: alchemic_demise
2006-11-20 11:30 pm (UTC)
But everyone loves mega-ultra-extreme uke Heimdall And for some reason LokixMayura doesn't bother me that much anymore. BUt LokixHeimdall pwns and it always will. I suppose a Seme Heimdall could work, and I always thought that he should be. I'll right a fic about him being the seme... but it'll have to be crackfiction.
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[User Picture]From: fallen_iceangel
2008-05-21 07:42 am (UTC)
*Ignoring the date this was posted*

Personally, I like Heimdall as seme better than as a Uke. He's too proud to submit to someone and doesn't seem the type to willingly try it. And, to me, the uke position is the most manipulative, which is perfect for Loki. Gives a false sense of power to the seme.

Also, we know that Loki's bottomed before quite a few times (*Cough*Sleipnir*cough* and there's a myth where he was banished to earth as a human woman where he married and had children... Maybe be confusing this myth with something else but I don't think I am.) so it's not as if he'd have too many hang ups for that (Maybe some bad memories for Sleipnir...)

Only problems I can think of is getting the 'Why' part for the sex. I can't imagine them in a proper romantic relationship so that's out. It'd have to be because they both want it or Loki wants something and is using sex as a means of getting it.

Well, that's my two cents. XD

Edited at 2008-05-21 08:08 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: kirskipkat
2009-08-28 10:16 pm (UTC)
ALSO totally ignoring the date of posting just to agree with what you said. O:
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[User Picture]From: fallen_iceangel
2009-08-28 10:45 pm (UTC)
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